Streetcar to Take Vine Street to Uptown

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From Milton Dohoney, Jr., City Manager:

I’m writing to make sure you are among the first to know that the City of Cincinnati has chosen the Vine Street alternative as the route the streetcar will take to reach the Uptown area.  This route is the least expensive, offers the fewest engineering challenges and best positions the streetcar for future expansion.

We reached this decision after a process that was both inclusive and comprehensive.  The City and a group of stakeholders along both Vine Street and the alternative route, West Clifton Avenue, have been meeting to collect input and share ideas about each route for months.  The group was informed of the City’s decision at a meeting this afternoon.  In the final analysis, Vine Street was the best decision.

We estimate that the West Clifton route would have added some $20 million to the streetcar’s construction cost and $250,000 annually to operations.  The Vine Street route is not as steep, has fewer curves and offers a shorter commute time.  The Vine Street route also connects the streetcar to University Plaza, Kroger, the Short Vine entertainment district and The Christ Hospital, and is a logical jump-off point for future routes that would include University Hospital, Cincinnati Children’s and the Zoo.

Clearly, interest and excitement in the streetcar are increasing.  I appreciate your input on this critical issue.  I invite you to continue working with us to make this project a success.

Milton Dohoney
City of Cincinnati is pleased with the City's decision of Vine Street, which will position the Streetcar for future expansion into Avondale, Corryville and Walnut Hills. Also, we do not have to change our maps.

13 thoughts on “Streetcar to Take Vine Street to Uptown

    Quimbob said:
    September 8, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    so, this is this based on manufacturers reports on dealing with the grades?
    Or are we still expecting the cars to slide down the hill wreaking havoc, death & destruction?

    Travis said:
    September 8, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    Contrary to what some faux-engineers predict will happen, modern streetcar vehicles are perfectly capable of scaling the slope of the Vine Street hill.

    Chris said:
    September 8, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    Awesome! From what I can tell this is what makes the most sense and will have the most value in the long run.

    Dan said:
    September 8, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    So, is the vine st route up to the zoo also part of phase one? I has thought the basin route was phase one, then later would come vine. I’d love to see it all done at once, myself. Would increase usability a lot.

      CincyStreetcar said:
      September 9, 2010 at 9:06 am

      Phase 1 will run up the hill to the University of Cincinnati, but not all the way to the Medical Center/Zoo

    MARINKO said:
    September 8, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    now the fun begins let’s buy some property

    Randy A. Simes said:
    September 9, 2010 at 8:57 am

    The cable cars in San Francisco are able to handle grades of up to 24% in some cases. The cable technology has yet to be tried on modern streetcars (which are larger and heavier), but it’s something to keep in mind nonetheless. Cincinnati’s streetcars should have no problem handling this grade.

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    Citizen said:
    September 9, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    How does this route connect with Christ Hospital?

    Quimbob said:
    September 9, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    Let me re-phrase.
    The manager said he sent packages out to several manufacturers to see if their cars could handle grades & curves.
    Did everybody report in? Is that how the city came up with the difference in costs for Vine & Clifton?
    The 2007 HDR feasibility study cites a Skoda car. In the recent meeting I am mentioning the manager also stated some funding might require the purchase of American made cars.
    That was all I was wondering about.

    @Citizen – you can get up to Auburn Ave through Innwood Park on Vine. Street. Brings you out at Wellington Place.

      CincyStreetcar said:
      September 9, 2010 at 2:33 pm

      from the City’s website:

      “The project team has sent technical specifications on Vine and West Clifton to several vehicle manufacturers for review and response to gauge the capabilities of their streetcar vehicles relative to the grades into Uptown. This information was solicited from United Streetcar/Oregon Iron Works, Siemens, Inekon, Kinkisharyo and Bombardier; all indicated that the grades on Vine and West Clifton were within current specification or would require only modest modifications to be with the requirements.”

    Kiosk Guy said:
    September 9, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    I’m really hoping they change the downtown route to go closer to the casino.

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